Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1

    Best ‘Type 3’ lifejacket for face up rotation in the water?

    Saw a video where a guy was jumping waves, he ate it on the handle bars and knocked himself out cold, face down in the water. Lucky his buddy saw it and flew over and turned him face up.

    Does anyone know of a type 3 life jacket that is specifically designed or advertised to turn "most" people face up like a type 2 commercial life vest will do?
    Type 3 is not designed turn people face up, so you just hope you don't land face down.

    Also I probably wont be wearing a helmet anytime soon I am too Kool j/k.
    Last edited by K447; 07-07-2020 at 10:26 AM.


  2. #2
    Click avatar for tech links/info K447's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    near Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    43,246
    +1
    2,266
    We have a couple of the JetPilot Apex (model V475) PFD. These have a thicker (higher buoyancy) front pad, which tends to float you face up in the water (the back pad is not as thick, allowing the front pad to leverage its additional buoyancy.

    The Apex is rated Type 3, so not a ‘proper’ Type 2. It does provide more lift in the front, which is what you want.

    The Apex PFD is also ‘100mph’ rated, meaning the straps, buckles and PFD itself should not fail during a 100mph water impact. Whether the human inside survives is a separate question.



    The Apex model is apparently discontinued. It is not immediately clear which other JetPilot models also have the thicker, more body and front pad design. Perhaps you could contact Jetpilot directly and ask them.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	jetpilot_apex_vest_yellow_front_jp16212.jpg 
Views:	74 
Size:	104.9 KB 
ID:	464118  

  3. #3
    Perfect, Thanks!

  4. #4
    Click avatar for tech links/info K447's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    near Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    43,246
    +1
    2,266
    Quote Originally Posted by Sundaydriver View Post
    Perfect, Thanks!
    When you find some PFD that meet your ‘floats face up’ requirements please post them here so others can know which they are.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Wales, UK
    Posts
    1,488
    +1
    104
    Been looking at new pfd myself the yacht style inflatable type are much higher buoyancy and will float you face up but may auto deploy while riding and manual inflates are no use if unconscious....... basic foam pfd won’t keep your head above water long term trouble is pwcs don’t work with the regs they are assumed to be used close to shore only, under 3 miles and clam water only or “categorised waters” the regs and stipulations for vessels to which almost all safety gear is designed doesn’t Practically apply to pwc use, in most cases, do any formal boating qualification and then try and apply what they say to a pwc.... get your chart out on the chart table and take a bearing to that lighthouse on a ski in 6’ waves You need to factor the risk and make your own decision and mitigate the risks, helmet with chin guard being the obvious answer to the video you reference.....

  6. #6
    Click avatar for tech links/info K447's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    near Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    43,246
    +1
    2,266
    Quote Originally Posted by HDAV View Post
    ... inflatable type are much higher buoyancy and will float you face up but may auto deploy while riding ...

    .... basic foam pfd won’t keep your head above water long term ...
    In my region PWC riders are not permitted to use self-inflating PFD. Well, I suppose you can wear one but it is considered the same as not wearing a PFD, in terms of the rules.

    What are you saying with regard to ‘basic foam’ PFD not keeping your head above water ‘long term’?

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Wales, UK
    Posts
    1,488
    +1
    104
    Quote Originally Posted by K447 View Post
    What are you saying with regard to ‘basic foam’ PFD not keeping your head above water ‘long term’?
    Exactly that they aren’t designed for long term in water submission only temporarily until you are recovered or Reboard the craft or be assisted by other in close proximity.
    If ski is swept away or sinks below the surface etc it doesn’t have the buoyancy to protect you from drowning there is additional info on long term survival rates being increased by the use of spray hoods as spray drowning is an issue here was a tv program where they went into lots more details of typical survival rates and timescales from minutes to hours. Canada like the U.K. has variable conditions and water temps also we don’t always ride close to shore in fact the Land/beach regs tend to stop you riding close to shore yet the maritime regs don’t tie up with off shore use most only consider “coastal” under 3 miles off shore......
    https://rnli.org/safety/lifejackets

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	D6C2491C-C9D4-4AFC-AA29-5DE84C6C1B93.jpg 
Views:	56 
Size:	82.6 KB 
ID:	464155  

  8. #8
    Click avatar for tech links/info K447's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    near Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    43,246
    +1
    2,266
    Thanks for clarifying. Said another way, the foam PFD doesn’t necessarily lose its buoyancy while floating, the concern is that the wearer may succumb to fatigue while in the water and a basic PFD may/will not support them well enough to keep head and face well above the waves.

    The UK (EU?) PFD rating system seems different from the US system, and Canada also has its own approval/rating system.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Which lifejacket do you use?
    By Mi410 in forum Sea Doo Open Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 05-25-2012, 10:45 PM
  2. Dainese lifejacket
    By otoss in forum Sea Doo Open Discussion
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 03-05-2012, 01:39 PM
  3. How To Select a Lifejacket
    By shawn alladio in forum High Performance Watercraft Safety
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-28-2012, 02:08 PM
  4. Best lifejacket
    By HallPass in forum Open Discussion
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: 05-20-2008, 11:40 PM
  5. lightweight lifejacket???
    By davidl13 in forum Sea Doo Open Discussion
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 06-05-2006, 10:42 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •