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    Wiseco 100.5mm oil filter after 2 hours .0040 PTW .022 Top Ring .026 Second ring gap

    Just wanted to share the amount of engine break in debris found in the oil filter after 2 heat cycles and 2 hours of varying RPM from idle to a maximum of 6200 Rpms. Using a richer tune, 12.6 to 13.2 AFRs up to 6200 RPMs.

    Wiseco 100.5mm, 2618 Pistons with .0040 PTW .022 top ring gap and .026 Second ring gap.
    All WSM bearings inside.

    Clean oil screens though I found a small oil leak off the secondary oil pump gasket, no debris, just oily on the bottom gasket surface.

    I sold my back up engine to the fellow who lost his engine.

    We pulled the engine, pulled the PTO cover and NO metal debris in there, Pulled the secondary oil pump and 1 small tiny metal debris lingering around on the oil screen.

    Does it look safe enough to button it up and let her rip?
    Or should we pull the bottom half of the block and inspect the cylinder wall surfaces?

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    Do you know the history of the oil cooler? Lots of debris can get caught there if a engine breaks down, the debris will eventually make its way to the filter, since the filter is after the oil cooler.

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    I see no problem with that filter as long as those metal flakes are magnetic, meaning they came off of the flywheel from starter engaging.

    You should see my filter when I was dealing with starter kickbacks

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    I would just keep and eye on it. Judging by the size of your pistons the block has had some machine work done to it. It’s probably a little left over shavings. No matter how well you try you can never get them perfectly clean

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    I forgot to add that compression is 122ish right across all 3 cylinders after 2 hours. All within 3-5 seconds.

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    I was curious to inspect the piston skirts and cylinder walls. So here you go. There were no WOT runs on the 2-3 hours run of varying RPMs. .0040 looks a little tight for under 6200 Rpms.

    What do you think?

    Lighting makes it difficult to get good clear pictures. All 3 pistons and all 6 skirts are showing the exact same identical amount of break in wear at .0040.

    We didn't do any WOT so we could determine if the .0040 PTW clearance could tolerate the higher 8300+ rpms.
    We just honed the bores to 280 grit added new wiseco chrome piston rings and the PTW clearances is now .0045.
    Going to run it in WOT for 15-20 seconds after it has completely warmed up.
    The wiseco pistons are 2618, confirmed with wiseco. The pistons were always 2618 from the beginning of first production.










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    The light vertical scratches are most likely from assembly/initial start.

    There's absolutely no way 0.004 would be too tight with those pistons, everything else being good.

    You're over thinking this

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptscon View Post
    The light vertical scratches are most likely from assembly/initial start.

    There's absolutely no way 0.004 would be too tight with those pistons, everything else being good.

    You're over thinking this

    The engine was put into a heavier seadoo speedster 150. It does work harder then a PWC. We feel that it should have a little more room, there shouldn't be any horizontal wear across the skirt at under 6200 Rpms. It was ran on a cooler day as well. .0045 shouldn't kill it.

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    Just an update on the Wiseco 100.5mm pistons with .0045 piston to wall clearances. Top ring gap .023 and second ring gap .028.
    At just under 10 hours it started hesitating while at 5500 Rpms and would no longer accelerate. It idles fine but unable to accelerate. New spark plugs and found all 3 spark plug tips wet with motor oil.
    I am guessing that the issue lies with the piston rings. The pistons look quite similar when compared to CP, including the weight..
    It was honed with 280 grit stones as per wiseco specs.

    Wiseco uses Chrome faced top ring
    Tapered Cast ring for the second ring
    typical 3 piece oil scraper for the third.

    CP uses a steel gas nitrated top ring
    Napier tapered hook grooved cast iron ring as the second ring
    Typical 3 piece oil scraper for the third as wiseco..

    I think the Napier tapered grooved cast iron ring has much better oil control as well with the steel gas nitrated top ring for high RPM and durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiderider View Post
    Just an update on the Wiseco 100.5mm pistons with .0045 piston to wall clearances. Top ring gap .023 and second ring gap .028.
    At just under 10 hours it started hesitating while at 5500 Rpms and would no longer accelerate. It idles fine but unable to accelerate. New spark plugs and found all 3 spark plug tips wet with motor oil.
    I am guessing that the issue lies with the piston rings. The pistons look quite similar when compared to CP, including the weight..
    It was honed with 280 grit stones as per wiseco specs.

    Wiseco uses Chrome faced top ring
    Tapered Cast ring for the second ring
    typical 3 piece oil scraper for the third.

    CP uses a steel gas nitrated top ring
    Napier tapered hook grooved cast iron ring as the second ring
    Typical 3 piece oil scraper for the third as wiseco..

    I think the Napier tapered grooved cast iron ring has much better oil control as well with the steel gas nitrated top ring for high RPM and durability.
    did you do a leak down test by any chance? May have a bit of blowby with the piston being that loose. The debris in the filter looks pretty standard to me. Great info in this post though for wiseco setup. I haven't used them personally yet but wondered if they were good or not.

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